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Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:49 am
by guho
kns wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:35 am My solution will be to decommission WMC on win 8.1 and to give the latest .msi WMC package a try on a fresh install of windows 10. I thank the heroes of this thread for the tips and recommendations they have shared. KNS
I am fairly certain, unless something changed, that WMC CableCard with premium channels, such as HBO, is only possible up to Windows 10 1511 (we're at 21H2 now).

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:29 pm
by TGsell
KNS - I have been running WMC on Win (1511!!! no later) on a 'miniPC' (actually two) and they run flawlessly. You need to lock out updates obviously but these machines are dedicated to WMC nothing else so there's little security risk, etc. Also, at the start I thought I could load Win8.1 Pro on these machines and run official WMC ,,,, however... no go... I could not find any suitable video drivers for Win 8 for these boxes which were designed long after win8 came out. I am sure you knew all this... if anyone has a way to insure you can find video drivers for Win8.1 on new machines let me know please... just curious.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:00 pm
by DavidinCT
And this is why I disabled Windows updates on my Windows 8.1 PC....

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:19 pm
by mustpushbuttons
IT Troll wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:52 am I just took the plunge and installed the September 2022-09 updates on Windows 8. All appears to be well. I jumped straight from June to September skipping the two bad months.
October security rollup success. no issues w wmc.

Also... just 2 months until WIN7 is dead. cable card + WMC / MC7 has been great. Still use and enjoy this old POS since day 1 in 2004 (XP MCE). Ubisoft ended WIN7 support in June. Steam support, chromium support for win7 also ends in Jan. End of an era. Win 8 wmc, the red headed step child now sorta looks appealing... ok not really.

WARNING: RANT AHEAD

OTT streaming here I come! ugggggghhhh user tracking, marketing creepers collecting not so anonymized data, reselling, forever in the belly of the beast - all just to sell ad space, serve ads and to sell more shyte.

Tom cruise walks past a store window in the movie Minority Report, the window talks to him "How's that shirt working for ya? come on in Tom" and every street cam/ surveillance cam tracks his every move. Sound familiar? HAHA!

When normal folks started asking me which cryptocurrency I was buying back in Nov 2021... I knew we peaked. Nasdaq 100 peaked. It all peaked. Now, Oct 2022 entering 2023 the planet is awash in debt, 100's of trillions of debt in the form of treasuries, CLO's, CDO's and CDS's - the instruments NGO's, govt central bankers resell - now chasing buyers in a rapidly shrinking global consumption engine + liquidity backdrop. The total toxic debt back in 2007''s 'too big to fail' crisis was only 700 Billion. Competition for shrinking consumer dollars will be fierce as we enter this never before seen cycle.

Ahem... sorry, a bit off topic there. So with OTT, sure, content is king but only to harvest end user data that is to be further weaponized against us all. Yay! GL all.

The End.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:34 pm
by IT Troll
Yeah, the October Cumulative Update appears to be fine, it contains the same ehtrace.dll 6.3.9600.20565 dated 11-Aug-2022 which was added in the September update.

Only three more updates to go. If you want to stop the nags about support ending you can add the following registry entry.

Code: Select all

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\EOSNotify]
"DiscontinueEOS"=dword:00000001
For belt and braces, you can also disable the two scheduled tasks found under Task Library > Microsoft > Windows > Setup
  • EOSNotify
  • EOSNotify2
These are configured to trigger every login and every day.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:03 pm
by Paint
mustpushbuttons wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:19 pm
IT Troll wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:52 am I just took the plunge and installed the September 2022-09 updates on Windows 8. All appears to be well. I jumped straight from June to September skipping the two bad months.
October security rollup success. no issues w WMC.

Also... just 2 months until WIN7 is dead. cable card + WMC / MC7 has been great. Still use and enjoy this old POS since day 1 in 2004 (XP MCE). Ubisoft ended WIN7 support in June. Steam support, chromium support for win7 also ends in Jan. End of an era. Win 8 WMC, the red headed step child now sorta looks appealing... ok not really.

WARNING: RANT AHEAD

OTT streaming here I come! ugggggghhhh user tracking, marketing creepers collecting not so anonymized data, reselling, forever in the belly of the beast - all just to sell ad space, serve ads and to sell more shyte.

Tom cruise walks past a store window in the movie Minority Report, the window talks to him "How's that shirt working for ya? come on in Tom" and every street cam/ surveillance cam tracks his every move. Sound familiar? HAHA!

When normal folks started asking me which cryptocurrency I was buying back in Nov 2021... I knew we peaked. Nasdaq 100 peaked. It all peaked. Now, Oct 2022 entering 2023 the planet is awash in debt, 100's of trillions of debt in the form of treasuries, CLO's, CDO's and CDS's - the instruments NGO's, govt central bankers resell - now chasing buyers in a rapidly shrinking global consumption engine + liquidity backdrop. The total toxic debt back in 2007''s 'too big to fail' crisis was only 700 Billion. Competition for shrinking consumer dollars will be fierce as we enter this never before seen cycle.

Ahem... sorry, a bit off topic there. So with OTT, sure, content is king but only to harvest end user data that is to be further weaponized against us all. Yay! GL all.

The End.
While I know Win7 is EOL and Win8 is soon to be, I'm concerned and confused a bit by your post.

I run Win7 x64 with two ceton infinitv 6 pcie cable cards. In two months you are saying it will stop working? I didnt think that was the case.... I know cablecards are being phased out since they arent required to be offered by the FCC... but not sure why everything will stop working when I use EPG123 and control my ESP windows updates.... let me know if you know differently.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:27 pm
by ryegrass
@Paint
Windows 7 won't stop working in two months, it just won't continue to receive Extended Security Updates (ESU) after that date.

P.S. The rumor is that Microsoft may still continue the ESU program.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:46 pm
by Paint
ryegrass wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:27 pm @Paint
Windows 7 won't stop working in two months, it just won't continue to receive Extended Security Updates (ESU) after that date.

P.S. The rumor is that Microsoft may still continue the ESU program.
they probably will - the program was a huge money maker for them. thank you

none of this really affects us besides cable cards going away....

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:55 am
by Paint
Anyone try the latest 2022-11 roll-up packages?

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:22 pm
by ryegrass
Paint wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:55 am Anyone try the latest 2022-11 roll-up packages?
The Windows 7 x64 Rollup KB5020000 didn't have any adverse effects on WMC, and I haven't had any other problems (that I know about) so far.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:12 am
by prsa01
ryegrass wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:22 pm
Paint wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:55 am Anyone try the latest 2022-11 roll-up packages?
The Windows 7 x64 Rollup KB5020000 didn't have any adverse effects on WMC, and I haven't had any other problems (that I know about) so far.
Appreciate the info. Nice to know when it is safe to install the newest updates.

Thanks

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:39 pm
by IT Troll
Seems fine on Windows 8. I always download the file list now and give it a quick once over. It comes as a CSV so can be easily sorted and filtered. This is good for spotting changes to Media Center files, but doesn't rule out MS breaking some other critical component.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:29 am
by ryegrass
Firefox says the Security Certificate for this page expired today (12/2/22).
Edit: It's fixed now.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:59 pm
by ryegrass
I've randomly lost my tuner (AVerMedia A188C) in Device Manager four times over the course of the past month since installing the Nov Windows Rollups. My other media computer without these updates has been fine. Of course due to to the complexity of Windows, this could be totally unrelated. Has anyone else had their tuner vanish from Device Manager since installing the Windows Nov Rollups?

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:12 am
by prsa01
ryegrass wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:59 pm I've randomly lost my tuner (AVerMedia A188C) in Device Manager four times over the course of the past month since installing the Nov Windows Rollups. My other media computer without these updates has been fine. Of course due to to the complexity of Windows, this could be totally unrelated. Has anyone else had their tuner vanish from Device Manager since installing the Windows Nov Rollups?
I have not - 2 x hdhomerun ota win7 pro 64

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:24 pm
by ryegrass
I appreciate the feedback, hopefully others who have installed the updates will reply as well. Since this is my main computer which runs all kinds of general tasks, and not my dedicated media computer, it could well be something else.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:41 pm
by benhase
Windows Update broke WMC (no Tuners found).
I had just installed: 2022-12 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB5021294)
My tuner (HDHomeRun PRIME) no longer shows up in Network.
I can see my HDHomeRun PRIME in Control Panel (Devices and Printers) but it is greyed out with Status: Not Connected.

I backed out KB5021294 and WMC works again.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:14 pm
by jerryrigit
ryegrass wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:59 pm I've randomly lost my tuner (AVerMedia A188C) in Device Manager four times over the course of the past month since installing the Nov Windows Rollups. My other media computer without these updates has been fine. Of course due to to the complexity of Windows, this could be totally unrelated. Has anyone else had their tuner vanish from Device Manager since installing the Windows Nov Rollups?
I have the same tuner AVermedia A188C in addition to a HDHomeRun HDHR4-2US. Mine has been rock solid through Nov and now Dec Windows Rollups on Windows 8.1.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:05 pm
by ryegrass
jerryrigit wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:14 pm I have the same tuner AVermedia A188C in addition to a HDHomeRun HDHR4-2US. Mine has been rock solid through Nov and now Dec Windows Rollups on Windows 8.1.
Thanks jerryrigit, my tuner on this computer had been perfect for nearly a year (except for the earlier Windows Rollup that this thread is about) which is what lead me to suspect the Nov updates. Since no one who installed the Nov updates is having any problem, it's probably something else so I've reinstalled the AVermedia drivers to see if that was the problem.

Re: Rollup broke Media Center Again

Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:02 pm
by Green Lantern
Can anyone else please post their experience (either positive or negative) with the December updates? Thanks!