The difference is that you wouldn't have to wait for Microsoft to sanction said tuners. Very much exactly like Kodi.STC wrote:Yes, this is my point. There will always be hardware tuners in the mix. I think though, the more hardware parts that are xbox specific (therefore $licensed$), more viable the complete solution is to MS. Would MS allow the use of a third party DRM scheme or design bespoke PlayReady code? I think the latter.Ed wrote:....and a network tuner somewhere on the network.....
BIG NEWS! Xbox one to become a DVR!!!!
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Care to place a wager? I would bet good money that the hypothetical "AllVid" replacement for CableCARD a) does not exist, even as a reference design, by 2020 and b) is not supported by even a single TV provider by 2025.mike_ekim wrote:If MS is going to support encrypted/DRM cable, it likely won't be via cable cards. Cablecards are about to be a thing of the past.
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Interesting. I have a cable box for encrypted cable, and it does NOT use a CableCard. I didn't mention AllVid in my previous post, but we shall see what shakes out. VidiPath?glugglug wrote:Care to place a wager? I would bet good money that the hypothetical "AllVid" replacement for CableCARD a) does not exist, even as a reference design, by 2020 and b) is not supported by even a single TV provider by 2025.mike_ekim wrote:If MS is going to support encrypted/DRM cable, it likely won't be via cable cards. Cablecards are about to be a thing of the past.
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Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the Comcast X1 DVRs don't use CableCard? I could have sworn I read that.
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I'm not sure if there are no cable cards, but supposedly VidiPath is coming to Comcast X1 and Cox Contour.Ed wrote:Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that the Comcast X1 DVRs don't use CableCard? I could have sworn I read that.
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^ Interesting:
DLNA launched the VidiPath certification program last fall, which is being used to stamp products that adhere to the CVP- 2 guidelines. At the time, DLNA said at least 15 companies were working on VidiPath-compatible products.
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I'm a Cox subscriber but not a Contour subscriber (why pay more, when I can pay less? lol) but my understanding is that the Contour users get a few extra stations (in h.264, some old boxes can't decode them) and can stream some stations to certain tablets (iPad, Samsung Galaxy, Nexus).STC wrote:^ Interesting:
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Vidipath is for streaming from your cable box to other devices on your LAN. It is NOT for streaming from the cable company to you through the internet, and NOT for any 3rd party box to be able to tune channels with. In other words, not a CableCARD replacement, and never intended to be.
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XBone needs 2 tuners or the ability to use 2 usb tuners. Imagine not being able to switch channels because something is recording. Yuk! I can live with OTA, I do now, but I need 2, dang it MS!
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This.STC wrote:^ Once you use up to six, even going down to four would be a big negative.
Although with OTA in my area, I think four would be fine.
But really, I already have 6 network tuners. For OTA. So yeah, two is not an option. I want to use my 6 network tuners. Shoot, I want to use network tuners, period. I would buy new ones. But I don't want to buy physical external things that must be bolted to the XBone in some fashion. Because the XBone is also a Blu-ray Disc player, I'm not going to shove it in the basement; it will be physically attached to the TV. Therefore, it must be a clean and neat piece. External hard drive is bad enough. External USB tuners? No. Just no.
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This is interesting news. Isn't it planned to roll-out Windows 10 to XBox One? If so surely it isn't much of a leap to make this available to PCs?
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It's Xbox one STREAMING to Windows 10. I used it to play a few games, it works pretty good over all. If the feature is Xbox one only and not on the PCs (no TV option for Windows 10 right now besides streaming services), I don't see it coming to PCs unless your going to stream it from the Xbox one and in that case, just use the xbox one...IT Troll wrote:This is interesting news. Isn't it planned to roll-out Windows 10 to XBox One? If so surely it isn't much of a leap to make this available to PCs?
Microsoft has no plans right now to support Cablecards in the Xbox one, from what I understand this is the big license cost why WMC is not included/an option in Windows 10, as Microsoft would need to get Windows 10 re-certified for cable labs standards at a very large cost.
In my area, I am lucky if I get 2-4 channels OTA and that is religion channels and PBS, so pretty much nothing I will watch, maybe blue moon type of things nothing I would spend the money on. I have an original HD home run dual tuner QAM/OTA, if I got good channels I would be using it in my HTPC now...
So, let's see, Xbox one as DVR, Need a minatory external USB 3.0 drive to use the feature, Limit of OTA and 1 tuner only ? A joke to me, I'll stick with WMC for another few years
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I don't know where you heard that, but it's not true. There is no certification for an OS. There isn't even anything to certify. The OCUR is the only thing that requires certification.DavidinCT wrote:Microsoft would need to get Windows 10 re-certified for cable labs standards
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Its my understanding the cost is the Dolby Digital licensing required to decode the stream that is the big cost factor.
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Dubly. I mean, if it's not for heavy metal, it must be for this, right?
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They already used that excuse with Windows 8. And in Windows 8, they decided to pass that cost to the end user. They could have done the same thing in Windows 10, but they chose not to do so...although they did release a $14.99 DVD player app (which, according to the reviews, is junk).TheOsburnFamil wrote:Its my understanding the cost is the Dolby Digital licensing required to decode the stream that is the big cost factor.
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Junky as it may be, in fairness, the DVD app is supposed to be free via Windows Update for users who upgraded to Win10.richard1980 wrote:They already used that excuse with Windows 8. And in Windows 8, they decided to pass that cost to the end user. They could have done the same thing in Windows 10, but they chose not to do so...although they did release a $14.99 DVD player app (which, according to the reviews, is junk).TheOsburnFamil wrote:Its my understanding the cost is the Dolby Digital licensing required to decode the stream that is the big cost factor.
http://aka.ms/win10dvd