Guide Data Outage - Winter 2017 Edition
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Nashville, TN with Comcast Digital, 3 W7 HTPC boxes, each with a Ceton tuner: 1 has full programming guide the 2 others have incomplete programming guides, all will expire on 2/7.
When I first noticed that I was running out of lineups, I toggled the provider (Comcast -> ATT -> Comcast) because sometimes that clears up issues. I have schedule data on the 2 others for the non HD programming restored, but the HD version of the same stations don't have any lineup data - ex Food Network, CNN, FoxNews, TNT, USA, BBC America etc. have both low number SD versions and channel numbers >1000 for the HD version, the low number SD channel lineup came back, but again, expires on 2/7, but nada came down for the high number HD channels...
I had trouble with one of the boxes back in December where no matter what I did, it wouldn't get a lineup for most of the month, so between windows updates being messed up/failing, and a few other things, I fully rebuilt the box, and it had been getting updates like a champ since 1/6 until now...
When I first noticed that I was running out of lineups, I toggled the provider (Comcast -> ATT -> Comcast) because sometimes that clears up issues. I have schedule data on the 2 others for the non HD programming restored, but the HD version of the same stations don't have any lineup data - ex Food Network, CNN, FoxNews, TNT, USA, BBC America etc. have both low number SD versions and channel numbers >1000 for the HD version, the low number SD channel lineup came back, but again, expires on 2/7, but nada came down for the high number HD channels...
I had trouble with one of the boxes back in December where no matter what I did, it wouldn't get a lineup for most of the month, so between windows updates being messed up/failing, and a few other things, I fully rebuilt the box, and it had been getting updates like a champ since 1/6 until now...
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Comcast in Golden, CO. My channel guide for HD channels currently ends at 5PM MT on Monday, February 6. SD channels extend one day further, to 5PM MT on Tuesday, February 7.
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JonFincherMSFT wrote:Hi guys:
Just wanted to let you know we're working on this. I forwarded the issue to the team yesterday, and followed up again today - when I hear more back, I'll post here.
--Jon,MSFT
Thanks for looking into this, but can we get an update? Is it likely to be fixed before Monday, when most of our guide data runs out?
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foose wrote: Would love an update at the end of today, if possible. Is it the kind of bug they would work on over the weekend?
If I get one, I'll post it immediately - but I wouldn't count on it. I received a call late yesterday afternoon saying MS still hadn't found the problem. Was told I'd get a call today if fixed, but if not, on Monday either way.
In the past these outages weren't worked on over the weekend, but given the down-to-the-wire timing, this might be an exception. If not, we will definitely break the previous record of down to 3 days set a few years ago. Maybe Jon can chime in?
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That's the bad thing about the recent-ish EPG updates that I feel have happened, seems recently I've only had 7 days worth of guide data where a year or two ago I had about 14 days of guide data... So when the service goes down and my system hasn't updated recently then I'm SOL as the guide doesn't stretch far enough out into the future...
With that said I'll probably ditch MSFT's EPG and pay for the 3rd party... Annoyed with MSFT's EPG issues all the time and short guide listings (3 to 6 days)... Seems recently I've been getting issues with it not updating or having the wrong art etc (Also had issues with shows not showing with any episode information so it would always record them when my series settings was set to only record "NEW")... So long MSFT, it's been nice but glad they found a nice way to work around it, just sucks you have to pay for it, but a better rate than renting a DVR box from Comcast. I just wish that HDHomerun had a better guide function but they can't seeing that it is patented... Maybe someday I'll switch off of WMC too, but not until a better UI comes along for the HDHomerun.
With that said I'll probably ditch MSFT's EPG and pay for the 3rd party... Annoyed with MSFT's EPG issues all the time and short guide listings (3 to 6 days)... Seems recently I've been getting issues with it not updating or having the wrong art etc (Also had issues with shows not showing with any episode information so it would always record them when my series settings was set to only record "NEW")... So long MSFT, it's been nice but glad they found a nice way to work around it, just sucks you have to pay for it, but a better rate than renting a DVR box from Comcast. I just wish that HDHomerun had a better guide function but they can't seeing that it is patented... Maybe someday I'll switch off of WMC too, but not until a better UI comes along for the HDHomerun.
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I'm totally disgusted with Microsoft's lack of support on this. They should know the data isn't updating, we should not have to tell them. And then, they respond too slowly. I will be looking int other options, I'm tired of this.
Moved to W10 and NPVR in December 2019. Bye.
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Well they dropped WMC without giving any replacement in Windows 10... So they probably don't care as they tried to force the windows 10 update any everybody...
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Yeah, the apologists keep explaining why they MS doesn't have to stay on top of this, which is really a file reformat and upload to a server on their end. They give it to someone who doesn't give a rats behind and it breaks often.
Moved to W10 and NPVR in December 2019. Bye.
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I work with data for a living and it's not hard to program something to be consistent, but you know what they say garbage in garbage out... I wouldn't think they'd be getting garbage in but oh well... I've already decided I'm not going to deal with it any longer.
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Well at this point all we can do is play the waiting game I guess.
I have started using Plex and have setup Plex DVR. Unfortunately, like the HDHomeRun DVR application there is no comprehensive guide grid in Plex DVR but you can search the guide, see upcoming shows in the guide and schedule recordings. With applications like "FollowShows" I have a fairly good idea of what scheduled shows are coming up as well. So I have something to fallback on should this go beyond 2-8-2017 but its not a very robust solution compared to Media Center IMO.
I have started using Plex and have setup Plex DVR. Unfortunately, like the HDHomeRun DVR application there is no comprehensive guide grid in Plex DVR but you can search the guide, see upcoming shows in the guide and schedule recordings. With applications like "FollowShows" I have a fairly good idea of what scheduled shows are coming up as well. So I have something to fallback on should this go beyond 2-8-2017 but its not a very robust solution compared to Media Center IMO.
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Anyone have any updates on the cause / status of this issue or a resolution?SugarFree wrote:Update 2: MS believes it's a bug - but they can't find it. Yet. Watch this space.
I will run out of guide data in 4 days.
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Anyone have any idea if guide will update for February 7, 2017?
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I live in the San Francisco east bay area, and my guide stopped getting new data about 2 weeks ago. I have Comcast digital cable and internet service, and its definitely not a problem with my internet connection (which I'm using to post this).
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Did you install patch KB3212646 for Windows 7? Uninstall it.mediawiz wrote:I live in the San Francisco east bay area, and my guide stopped getting new data about 2 weeks ago. I have Comcast digital cable and internet service, and its definitely not a problem with my internet connection (which I'm using to post this).
http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/vie ... =5&t=10598
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Hi
I do not think this is a Microsoft Bug... This problem shows up in JRIVER Media Center as well... This looks like ROVI has stopped updating...
ROVI will not correspond with end users....
I hope Microsoft has reached out to ROVI....
Hope this note helps....
PS: I am in Ottawa Ontario Canada using Rogers HD Digital feed....
PPS: One really great fix to this would be to add a feature to Windows Media Center.. to permit updates from other EPG's This way when a EPG gets flakey.. we can change to another service...
I do not think this is a Microsoft Bug... This problem shows up in JRIVER Media Center as well... This looks like ROVI has stopped updating...
ROVI will not correspond with end users....
I hope Microsoft has reached out to ROVI....
Hope this note helps....
PS: I am in Ottawa Ontario Canada using Rogers HD Digital feed....
PPS: One really great fix to this would be to add a feature to Windows Media Center.. to permit updates from other EPG's This way when a EPG gets flakey.. we can change to another service...
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On my WMC, it reported a communication problem on 2/1. Now, the communication error is gone. Unfortunately, still no data.
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2/1/2017 - communication problem
2:32:08 PM - Testing internet connection.
2:33:24 PM - Connection established.
2:33:39 PM - Retrieving Directory.
2:33:40 PM - Failed to retrieve Directory (Error: The underlying connection was closed: Could not establish trust relationship for the SSL/TLS secure channel.)
2:33:40 PM - The MCEClientMaintenance package is already up to date.
2:33:40 PM - The NetworkMetadata package is not available.
2:33:40 PM - Testing internet connection.
2:33:40 PM - Connection established.
2:33:40 PM - Retrieving SportsSchedule.
2:33:40 PM - Failed to retrieve SportsSchedule (Error: The underlying connection was closed: Could not establish trust relationship for the SSL/TLS secure channel.)
2:33:41 PM - Retrieving SportsV2.
2:33:41 PM - Failed to retrieve SportsV2 (Error: The underlying connection was closed: Could not establish trust relationship for the SSL/TLS secure channel.)
2:33:41 PM - Retrieving ClientUpdate.
2:33:42 PM - Failed to retrieve ClientUpdate (Error: The underlying connection was closed: Could not establish trust relationship for the SSL/TLS secure channel.)
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2:33:47 PM - Retrieving EpgListings.
2:33:47 PM - Failed to retrieve EpgListings (Error: The underlying connection was closed: Could not establish trust relationship for the SSL/TLS secure channel.)
2:34:02 PM - Errors during the last update.
2:34:02 PM - Will retry at 2/1/2017 3:34:02 PM.
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For me in Dallas, ends on Feb 07 6 PM. Is there an email we can send to Rovi?
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TiVo boxes also had an issue when the problem first occurred, but I think the problem was resolved soon afterwards...amcneish wrote:Hi
I do not think this is a Microsoft Bug... This problem shows up in JRIVER Media Center as well... This looks like ROVI has stopped updating...
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Perhaps old Rovi changed something in the format of the data and old TiVo was able to quickly make the adjustment.
Rovi bought TiVo Corp. a while ago, but they probably still run as separate organizations, so it would not be that unusual that the old TiVo did not know what the old Rovi was doing until after they did it.
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ROVI powers the cable listings for my cable provider. No problem apparent there. https://www.gci.com/tv/guide
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I wonder if this is an issue where possibly a recent update to SSL Certificates have not been passed on to Windows systems... Both the Windows Media Center and JRIVER Media Center share the lack of ROVI updates....