New HDHomerun Tuners and DLNA in mid-2013

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New HDHomerun Tuners and DLNA in mid-2013

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Post by rabbit1543 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:01 pm

Sorry dont have time to go into details but there is an official press release here

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/sili ... s-with-tr/

more here

http://www.silicondust.com/company/in-the-news/

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Post by tad » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:51 pm

New 4-tuner model, too

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Post by jagrime2 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:24 pm

This removes the major barrier, live tv, that has kept me with WMC over other options. I won't be dumping right away but this will opens up lots of cheap devices to the ability to play live tv as well as recorded media across the entire home (no high $$ extenders with limited features need apply). Want to see how this works will with protected content across multiple devices but seems compelling.

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Post by makryger » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:28 pm

Right... I'm not entirely clear yet how we actually watch live tv- whats the ui? How do we tune a channel? Is there still dvr capabilities?
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Post by TeddyR » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:57 pm

A summary of what I understand the details to be from the press releases/announcements/etc:

The new 4 tuner (HDHR4-CC) model looks like it transcodes mpeg2 to h.264 on the fly and does the DLNA DTCP-IP thing...

The existing prime (HDHR3-CC) will be able to do the DLNA DTCP-IP thing but will need a client with mpeg2 capability (like the ps3)

The devices with DLNA are not a DVR; the DTCP-IP just adds an encryption transport other than the existing Microsoft path used by WMC. This should now allow OTHER dvrs that can now also use DTCP-IP as an encryption transport to get the content. Any other player that supports DLNA DTCP-IP can view protected content live tv (the HDHR3 will need a player with mpeg2 support while the HDHR4 should work with a wider variety of players). Regular (non DTCP-IP) dlna players and DVRs will be able to view non-protected content with the same mpeg2/h.264 restritions for the HDHR3/HDHR4)...

The HDHR4 is not out yet, early-mid 2013. The beta dtcp-ip firmware for the HDHR3 should be out next week.

As for content license, the dtcp-ip license is issued to the the devices (DMS like the Primes) and players (DMPs like the PS3/etc). There is also an agreement from cablelabs to the organizaion that issues dtcp-ip licenses allowing dtcp-ip devices to playback the content since dtcp-ip devices can encrypt the content and follow the required copy restrictions set by the content provider and the cablecards.

Ceton may now need to release the 6 tuner model to take back the advantage that having 4 tuners gave them with the ITV4s.
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Post by richard1980 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:46 am

I wonder if the h.264 transcoding capability is restricted to the DLNA output or if it can offer h.264 to DVR applications?

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Post by fqr » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:45 am

TeddyR wrote: The HDHR4 is not out yet, early-mid 2013. The beta dtcp-ip firmware for the HDHR3 should be out next week.

Ceton may now need to release the 6 tuner model to take back the advantage that having 4 tuners gave them with the ITV4s.
Bah. More like mid-end 2013 if not early 2014 if you go by their past record.

The beta is supposed to be released on the 17th... but we'll see

Silicondust has a youtube video showing the interface (but in this case using xbmc with non protected content: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml0g2l01zVM ) that may give an idea of how navigation will may work.

As for Ceton, they should first fix the Echo before doing anything else. They already waited this long.

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Post by slowbiscuit » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:17 pm

TeddyR wrote: As for content license, the dtcp-ip license is issued to the the devices (DMS like the Primes) and players (DMPs like the PS3/etc). There is also an agreement from cablelabs to the organizaion that issues dtcp-ip licenses allowing dtcp-ip devices to playback the content since dtcp-ip devices can encrypt the content and follow the required copy restrictions set by the content provider and the cablecards.
The problem is that getting a DTCP-IP license is not cheap, just like CableLabs OCUR cert. Right now the PS3 is it for protected content streaming via DTCP-IP so once again the DLNA streaming, while nice, will be limited for folks that have cable providers with ridiculous content protection. And even if you use a PS3 the interface is very basic with no channel guide support for live TV etc.

It's great that they're going to have this feature but unless more clients get on board with more than just a file-based interface, it will be very limited.

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Post by TeddyR » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:01 pm

slowbiscuit wrote:It's great that they're going to have this feature but unless more clients get on board with more than just a file-based interface, it will be very limited.
I have not tested this yet, but Cyberlink SoftDMA2 is supposed to support dtcp-ip. Currently at ~$50.00 its a bit steep, but at least there are SOME entrants in the market... http://www.cyberlink.com/products/softd ... en_US.html

Hopefully SD will release a list of compatible products once the official beta is released around the 17th.

Even without the dtcp-ip for the copyonce content, the feature opens up the prime for use on XBMC and other PVRs that were not able to use it before...
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Post by JazJon » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:08 pm

Progress marches on, 2013 is shaping up to be exciting as so many new options evolve for us PC DVR enthusiasts.
The native Windows 8 Metro app pic they demo looks pretty interesting http://www.facebook.com/HDHomeRun
Hopefully this means I can dump my clunky slingbox too for a native mobile live tv streaming app

EDIT: Just browsed Engadget and saw this:
Qualcomm Atheros' Skifta app brings DLNA media streaming to iOS
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/10/qual ... a-app-ios/
(I'm sure the native HD HomeRun app will be better to use though, still interesting!)

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Post by JazJon » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:14 pm

The new Intel headless 6-tuner cable gateway supports DLNA as well.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/09/inte ... r-comcast/

I'm not sure if they will support remote mobile apps, or will be as innovative with it's delivery. You'll probably have to rent the box instead of own it too. Either way it's good to see new option in the works from everyone.

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Post by optikhog » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:09 pm

richard1980 wrote:I wonder if the h.264 transcoding capability is restricted to the DLNA output or if it can offer h.264 to DVR applications?
^This is what I want to know.

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Post by richard1980 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:46 am

Guess we got our answer. From http://www.missingremote.com/news/2013- ... t-ces-2013

"Support for H.264 DVR recording is on the road map, but will not be supported at launch."

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Post by optikhog » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:09 pm

richard1980 wrote:Guess we got our answer. From http://www.missingremote.com/news/2013- ... t-ces-2013

"Support for H.264 DVR recording is on the road map, but will not be supported at launch."
Ahh well, at least it's being considered. From most of what I've read, it seems like the feature planning is still taking shape. They have a good track record of delivering what they promise so fingers are crossed.

The CEO is pretty cagey about such support in this interview - seems like they're focusing more on transcoding the DLNA content rather than handing off H.264 native: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/10/enga ... al-show-2/

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Post by JazJon » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:05 am

Here's more interesting home theater DLNA news. Maybe this Desktop Mirroring feature can be used for a Media Center Extender Softsled & or SlingBox Win 8 work around. They don't say if it will work externally though.

http://www.arcsoft.com/company/pr-demo.html

Demo video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXf39QOS ... vI4xb6di3A

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Post by richard1980 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:35 am

Output mirroring is already possible using an HDMI splitter, and it clearly is not the same thing as Softsled. Additionally, DLNA only works on the internal network.

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