Updates that break WMC

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Updates that break WMC

#1

Post by jachin99 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:41 pm

I think it would be a good idea to start documenting what updates break WMC/WMP. This might be a lot me responding to my own post but at least it will be here for others. If anyone would care to join in then please give the KB #, what the update addresses, and what effect it has on WMC/WMP. Thanks.

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Post by chaycock » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:05 pm

Since my machine is only for WMC, I never update it. I found that it was just too risky to allow updates and a huge PITA to try and roll them back and restore the system when something got hosed up. Since my machine is not accessible from the internet and I do not surf the web or do anything else on it, the security risk by not updating is minimal. I have had my machine up and running since Win7 was released and once I got it running and stable, I disabled updates. It is not even at SP1.

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Post by Alan G » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:13 pm

chaycock wrote:Since my machine is only for WMC, I never update it. I found that it was just too risky to allow updates and a huge PITA to try and roll them back and restore the system when something got hosed up. Since my machine is not accessible from the internet and I do not surf the web or do anything else on it, the security risk by not updating is minimal.
It sounds like you do not use WMC to watch television, correct? For those of us who use WMC as a DVR (in my case a cable card tuner), we need access to down load schedules which means that the PC is open to access.

The the OP's main point. I've been running WMC for over five years and never had a Windows update cause a problem. I don't use automatic updates but do all the updating manually. Usually the only updates I allow are the safety updates. I always do a fresh system image before updating just in case.

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Post by jachin99 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:32 pm

Allan, if you are willing to participate, could you provide a list of which updates you have installed? In particular I am trying to figure out updates that effect .mcl files. These files are helpful for things like adding web radio stations, and I have seen a few different security updates reference .mcl files but I'm not exactly sure which updates break their scripting functionality. If you could also provide me with the version number of your ehshell.exe, I could match that against your updates, and maybe you could test an .MCL file or a radio preset to see what works and what doesn't. I am also curious about some updates that might break the ESPN 3 plugin, and why some versions of media center will open a web page in WMC, and other installs of WMC that I have come across launch an external IE browser. Thanks

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Post by Alan G » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:06 pm

I don't use any plug ins or radio stations in my WMC set up. I just use it as a cable card tuner through Verizon FIOS with EPG123 as the program guide. I don't know what .mcl files are and after I went through the original cable card set up my WMC has functioned without any issues. I exit WMC when I want to stream Netflix or Amazon Prime which I do through a Firefox browser. I don't think I can help out with the problems you outlined.

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Post by cvguy » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:05 pm

Since Microsoft went to monthly rollups some time back, it's almost impossible to roll back individual KB's now, unless you do a daily backup. I also stopped updating Win7 and I accept the risks. I started a post some time back listing KB numbers that DID definitely break Emby for WMC. But that was before rollups started.

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Post by jachin99 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:24 pm

KB 3022777 possibly causes issues with hdcp handshakes. There is a thread around here about a user who suspected the update caused a display driver error message

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Post by DavidinCT » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:58 pm

cvguy wrote:Since Microsoft went to monthly rollups some time back, it's almost impossible to roll back individual KB's now, unless you do a daily backup. I also stopped updating Win7 and I accept the risks. I started a post some time back listing KB numbers that DID definitely break Emby for WMC. But that was before rollups started.

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I personally do backups every Saturday morning at 2am (keep for 2 weeks), you should if you decide to do updates. If your going to do Windows updates. Disable the service, or at least set it to "notify but, do not download" in the local machine group policy (look it up, fairly easy to configure unless your on a home version), then run the updates on the Sunday. This gives you time to test them and if you need to roll back.

Personally, I ONLY run Windows updates if there is major security risk and with that, I need the EXACT KB to install. Nothing else. My Windows update service is disabled.

Microsoft gave up on Windows Media Center years ago, Do you actually think they do ANY testing on updates for it any more ?
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#9

Post by cvguy » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:03 pm

No, they don't test any updates for WMC. That was my point. I haven't had Windows 7 updates turned on for well over a year now. I just don't do it and accept the risk. Not worth breaking anything, just takes too much time to fix. Took years to get this system running right and I'm very happy with it. It sounds like you do security updates only, which I believe you can still download KB files. But, as I said, with the Roll-Ups it's a pretty much all or nothing acceptance of the updates they are offering. Impossible to back out an individual KB installed out of a roll up. Unless, you just restore as you said. That is so time-consuming, and I have much more to do on Sunday evenings.

Hey, we all got screwed by Microsoft. It's sad that they invented one of the best if not the best, operating system for media (Win7), and Storage (WHS) and then just bailed after they intoxicated all of us with this stuff for years. I still use both, and haven't found anything better yet. But, they are making it tough to stay with it. Thankfully, we have forums like this for help, otherwise you're on your own.
Personally, I think I am pretty much done with Windows after Windows 7. That's just me.

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Post by werds » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:22 pm

I have been using WMC in one incarnation or another since it was on XP in 2006 and as soon as Win Vista and Win 7 rolled out with it I was using it then too! I shut down the update services and patches a loooong time ago. I have many things customized to my taste and even some basic things setup that way too often I would turn on the WMC system in the morning and something was tremendously borked by an update... and usually it took several days and a rollback to resolve the problem! I refuse to update Win7 as well and am taking the full risk of doing so just to have a stable system. If not for my sanity but because my family expects the TV to just flat out work, not to be a Dr. Frankenstein science project whenever the tv is turned on...

I will be following this thread to see if it gains any traction but I am personally too scared to even dare to turn on updates to see what works and what doesn't at this point!

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Post by Crash2009 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:02 pm

I shut updates of on my Win7. If you do not install SP! you will retain the Sports section. If you update to SP1 say goodbye to Sports/Spotlight/Etc.

Here is a list of updates for Win10. Sure is a pile of them.

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2018/02/22:

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4073291          / 16299 x86
4057144          / 15063
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2018/01/09:

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4033393          / 14393, 15063 .NET 4.7.1
4054855          / 14393, 15063 .NET 4.7.1
4056887          / all

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4053579          / 14393
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4048954          / 15063
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4048951          / all
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4049065          / 14393

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4049370          / 15063
4052231          / 14393
4051613          / all
4022405          / 15063
4035631          / 14393

Note:
updates for 10240 & 10586 are removed from WHDownload list
but still available as manual links
see Information-ReadMe.txt for more details
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2017/11/02:

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4051613          / all

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4039813          / MediaFeaturePack/16299

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4038806          / all
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2017/10/10:

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4041691          / 14393
4041689          / 10586
4042895          / 10240

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4038801          / 14393
4038783          / 10586
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2017/09/25:

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2017/09/12:

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4038783          / 10586
4038781          / 10240
4038806          / all

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4034658          / 14393
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4034668          / 10240
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4035631          / 14393
4035632          / 10586

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4025334          / 14393
4025344          / 10586
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4025376          / all
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4025344          / 10586
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4025376          / all

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4032693          / 10586
4032695          / 10240
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4025632          / 15063, 14393
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4032693          / 10586
4032695          / 10240

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4022714          / 10586
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2017/06/22:

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4022715          / 14393
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4022730          / all
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4020821          / all

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4015217          / 14393
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4018483          / all
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4015217          / 14393
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4016636          / 10586
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3209498          / all

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Post by DavidinCT » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:33 pm

Crash2009 wrote:I shut updates of on my Win7. If you do not install SP! you will retain the Sports section. If you update to SP1 say goodbye to Sports/Spotlight/Etc.
Oh, SP1... In the early days of Windows 7, PRE SP1, there was good and valid fixes for WMC. As the release version(RTM) did have issues, a lot of fixes or issues we reported in the beta program didn't make RTM. As you got AFTER SP1 and the day Microsoft said good buy to WMC, then they sent out updates to disable things (for example Sports and the ULTRA crappy Internet TV).

You could take a Non-updated, non SP1 ISO, install Windows 7 and use WMC but, you will see very quickly the annoying issues that will even crash WMC all the time.

The Problem is, we need the happy medium, far enough to FIX the major issues with WMC (there was some big ones early on) and the ones that just disable stuff. The other problem, is the GOOD fixes NEED SP1 to install in a lot of cases.

I remember in the beta program talking to one of the beta teams claiming there was about 40+ known issues that didn't make RTM, and they updated most of them with updates... and that was KNOWN on release, not the ones consumers found.

For the record, my updates are disabled and my current build is a little over 3 years old (installed at 2/12/2016, 10:09:10 PM) but, I used a slipstreamed SP1 iso up to current time to install.
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Post by jachin99 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:56 pm

About the Windows Media Player problems I have been having, I believe if I let Windows update, then remove WMP from the turn windows features on or off menu, then add it back, Windows restores the original factory version of WMP, and WMC will read my tags again. This doesn't tell me which update potentially broke my library but it does provide a fix. I have to test this on a machine I'm having problems on but it might be a quick fix. This also removes parts of WMC so that will be a pain.

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Post by jachin99 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:03 pm

Crash2009 wrote:I shut updates of on my Win7. If you do not install SP! you will retain the Sports section. If you update to SP1 say goodbye to Sports/Spotlight/Etc.
Can you send or point me to an iso of this?

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Post by DavidinCT » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:01 pm

jachin99 wrote:
Crash2009 wrote:I shut updates of on my Win7. If you do not install SP! you will retain the Sports section. If you update to SP1 say goodbye to Sports/Spotlight/Etc.
Can you send or point me to an iso of this?
Can I ask why you wanted to ? You have seen where we can enable it again (some hacks) but, as before, it does not work at all, it will just sit there and hang...
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Post by jachin99 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:08 pm

I want to bring just the sports strip back without mcs.

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Post by Paul Anderegg » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:46 am

Typically the "monthly quality rollup" thing takes out my tuner until I restart a few times...causes my Tuning adaptor light to blink meaning it lost sync or something. Other than that, going strong for years!

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