gpatlanta wrote:Curious what advice has left you not wanting to upgrade?
Mike had read some of my other posts on TGB, and asked me what I thought about migrating to Win7 from Vista. I am happy for my reply to him to be published, so I have included it below.
One thing that I did not
mention to Mike is that I have tried three times to migrate from Vista to Win7, and each time after running Win7 for a day or two I have found something else that I did not like, and so returned to Vista to give myself time to decide whether I really want to migrate to Win7. The most-recent migration to Win7 was aborted when I found that radio programmes broadcast in the UK TV MUXes balloon to unacceptable sizes when recorded under Win7. Example: a 5-minute voice recording of a BBC Radio 4 programme is 8MB when recorded as a TS file using TBSviewer, 35MB when recorded as a DVRMS file using Vista MC, and 115MB (!!!) when recorded as a WTV file using Win7 MC. I am prepared to accept a 35MB DVRMS file, because of its integration within MC and support of metadata; but a 115MB WTV file to too much.
A couple of days after reverting to Vista, I discovered that Win7 has "wtvconverter.exe", which will happily convert audio-only WTV files to DVRMS. So I will probably attempt migration again, and modify my DVR-manager batch script to invoke "wtvconverter.exe" for radio recordings when it is shuffling the WTV/DVRMS files between various directories.
-- from CyberSimian in the UK
Here is my message to Mike:
Migrating from Vista to Win7 is not an easy choice. I have been running
Vista for 3 years, and after solving the initial problems, it has been
fairly reliable. I have installed Win7 in another partition on my HTPC so
that I can boot either, but currently I am still using Vista.
For me, the main reason for migrating to Win7 is that Win7 can receive
DVB-T2 high-definition TV; Vista cannot receive DVB-T2 and never will.
However, currently there are no channels that can be classified as "DVB-T2
only", since BBC-HD is a rehash of HD material already broadcast in SD on
other channels. So you do not currently miss out on any programmes if you
cannot receive DVB-T2.
There are other differences, but they are minor (mostly). Here is a
(1) On my system, Win7 seems slower to start, and slower for the EPG to
appear and navigate. I have a suspicion that it gets faster as you use it,
possibly by keeping more of the EPG in memory as you scroll through it. By
the way, I do NOT have Windows installed on an SSD, but the Vista EPG is
fast even without an SSD.
(2) The Win7 EPG downloaded from the internet is not the same as the Vista
EPG. I did notice a couple of series that were not flagged as series in the
Win7 EPG, but it is difficult to know how widespread this problem is. I
have not seen any other UK users mention it, so it might be a relatively
infrequent occurrence. I would also expect the EPG for the 5 main UK
channels to be more reliable (the two series errors that I found were both
(3) If you like to use pre-padding and post-padding on your recordings, and
force Media Center to use separate tuners for consecutive recordings by
using "Advanced Record" to increase the recording time by 5 minutes on
Vista, you need to use 10 minutes on Win7 (5 minutes does not work as
(4) If you use the "around x o'clock" option in "Advanced Record" to limit
which programmes can be recorded, on Vista that gives a window of
plus/minus 2 hours around the scheduled time; on Win7 the window is
plus/minus 15 minutes, which some users find too small to be useful.
(5) On Vista, display of the "Recorded TV" folder becomes very slow once
there are more than about 100 files in that folder. Win7 is supposed to
have fixed this, but I have not used Win7 enough to be sure.
(6) Win7 MC has several redesigned panels, which I dislike for two reasons:
the text is actually smaller than in Vista, and so more difficult to read,
and the "look and feel" is completely different from the Vista style. So
Vista has a single uniform style, whereas Win7 has two disparate styles.
If WAF is an important consideration, the best solution (if possible) would
be to have both Vista and Win7 installed, so that you can switch between
them without committing yourself to either. Continue recording on Vista,
while trying Win7 when there are no recordings scheduled. You will need to
have around 30GB available for another partition on your primary disk, and
to use a boot-manager that keeps the two OS installations entirely separate
(so that they cannot see each other). I use a product called "BootIt", but
it is quite "techie", so I would not recommend it for casual use.
Most people seem to like Win7, and dislike Vista. My experience (and
opinion) is more evenly balanced. I hope this is of some use.