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Post#21 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:47 pm

jachin99 wrote:What is funny is under my turn windows features on or off My smb v1 actually has three options where i can enable or disable letting windows automatically remove SMB 1 after that fifteen day period.


I would like to see a picture of that....

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Post#22 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:22 am

Here it is hopefully
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Post#23 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:34 am

Use nbstat -a to find the MasterBrowser

https://www.speedguide.net/faq/cant-acc ... roblem-289

Master runs the SMB Server

All the rest are Clients
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Post#24 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:14 am

The technet link from post 14 shows how to set the master. My goal is to eliminate smb v1 all together without effecting network sharing but I'll stay here and help you out too.
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Post#25 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:24 am

I don't need any help....No 1709's on my network. Hover your mouse over the 2 pics we posted.

100 following (AKA Lurking)

Hey, any of you Lurkers got this 1709 SMB problem?
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Post#26 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:37 am

jachin99 wrote: What I can't figure out is why I have so much trouble accessing media from windows 7 on my win 10 laptop.
Use Windows Programs and Features to enable the Win10 Laptop to be an SMBv1.0/CIFS Client

Wait a month or two until someone "Cracks the Problem". Or, start bugging M$ Barb
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Post#27 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:39 am

jachin99 wrote:My goal is to eliminate smb v1 all together without effecting network sharing


Maybe someone else might be interested in that. From the looks of things Win7 needs an upgrade or Win1709 needs a downgrade.
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Post#28 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:00 am

Because I dont use my win10 laptop as a media player I can just setup filezilla and accomplish most of what I want. I'm willing to bet emby, Kodi, WMC etc on Win10 and those programs will see my shared media on my win 7 server. I'm not worried about getting rid of smb v1 because I still have all the other versions to work with and MS probably kept it around out of either laziness or for compatibility sake
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Post#29 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:19 pm

I've disabled smb v1 on all of my machines, and given network, and network service permissions to read/modify my shared folders as appropriate. My windows 7 shares can all see each other, and my WIn 10 machine has no problem seeing my Win 7 shared folders. I also set the Win 7 server to master browser as described in one of these links. I haven't finished confirming SMB is completely disabled on every machine (Confirmed as in checked for it again through the CLI on each machine) but most of my problems look to be solved. I can also add all of my shared media in Win 10 WMC.

About the network service account: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/librar ... 72(v=vs.85).aspx Bascially a network service invocation allows a network resource to act as if it were a resource on the local computer if that makes sense. Programs and files that are granted network service permissions will not be prompted for a password so if there is a machine you don't trust on your network, then granting network service permissions to a folder that machine can access might introduce some risk into your network.
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Post#30 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:02 pm

I'm not through testing yet but it appears as though Emby also works with SMB V1 disabled. If I don't have any problems from Emby then the last plugin on my fix it list will be Recorded TV HD.
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Post#31 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:21 pm

About password protected sharing from: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win ... 725?auth=1

1- With Microsoft and many other OS's and NOS's inherited rights are always assumed.
For example - If I share the root of the C: drive - everything on the c: whether they are marked as shared or not is in fact shared.
At the root of the issue is that when you enabled Pubic Folder sharing Windows 7 do not enabled the public folder but \users folder.
The Public Folders are stored in a folder called "public" in the \Users directory. The net effect is that EVERY - USERS folder is Shared
when you "enable" sharing public through the network and sharing center.


2- There was comment made about not wanting your personal files and folders shared even if you share the public folder and given your user ID and password. Frankly, EVEN if this worked correctly and it does NOT, if you have a concern about this, you should never share your user id and Password EVER - all someone needs is a few second directly in front of your computer with the password and ID you have given them to get to those files. It does not take much, they already have to be close for you to share the files, one visit to the john and files are quickly copied to a flash drive! - Solution create a different ID or an id for each person who you need to share with this should be a non-admin user. There is a little more that you need to truly make sure your file are truly protected but that’s for another day.

Since, I brought up the adding of users ids and password - I want to comment on JayTF's reply it does not matter if the users is an admin user or not. The sharing permissions granted through the Networking and Sharing center when "Turn on Public Folder Sharing" is enabled grants "everyone" full access to the \users directory. SO every user has full access to the every folder under the \users directory - including the public folder as well as folders and files for any other user that has been added to that computer or domain.

My findings do not support Jimmyleo either - The parent inherent from the child - Only the parent (c:\users) has been shared maybe that has been fixed with a patch and I do not see it today.

So the sum this up..
If through the networking and sharing center, Change Advanced sharing setting, for Public Folder share you enable “turn on so anyone with network access can read and read in the public folders” is Shares the %root%\users folder and grant share permission to Everyone with full access.
This not only grants access to the public folders but all the folders for all the users on that computer. It is not just administrative users the have this access, it truly sets everyone with full access.
To make the issue worse, if you turn off public folder sharing through the network and sharing center it does nothing. The share of the %root%\users and the permissions all remain..
Surly this is not the intended or proper functions.

The work around for this simply do not use, ever, the network and sharing to enable public folder share.. do it either through fsmgmt.msc.
or go old school drill down through the drive to the specific folder you wish to share - right click go to properties --> sharing tab --> Advanced sharing button --> Click share this folder --> add the permissions for the appropriate users and apply.

IF you have already enable public folder sharing through the network and sharing center - you will need to follow that old school method to un-share the user directory.
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